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Hiedi

I must add that if my husband or I *DARED* pull a stunt like this-the stitches in our asses would have been the least of our worries. If I found out it was one of my kids that is in this video they'll need more than the cops and CPS to protect their sorry ass.

Freeman thanks for posting this. Folks please make sure your crotch fruit know that bullying is not fucking cool.

Humor_Me

Last time I heard, this fund had reached over $500,000! The sad thing is, she should be taking this vacation with her son too.

As someone who grew up being bullied, I know it lasts a lifetime. Let the punishment fit the crime:

Those kids shouldn't be allowed to ride a school bus again. EVER. Not for any function including field trips. The parents should have to drive them everywhere.

Lack of transportation due to break-down, traffic, or sickness is no excuse and will be reflected on the child's record accordingly.

The child will not be given school driving/parking priveliges upon legal driving age.

This will affect them until after they graduate high school no matter which school they attend.

Bridget

I dealt with bullying in Middle School as well. Once it got to high school, I was the "Mama Bear" of my group. On the school bus one day, I remember this kid (I was a senior, he was a freshman) He was minding his own business, just playing with his Yu-Gi-Oh cards. Not bothering a soul. When another freshman got up, knocked the cards out of his hands, and starting picking on him and bullying him. I had never met either one of them before, but it really made me mad, So I got up to where they were, grabbed the bully and slammed him down in the back seat of the bus. Told him to leave the kid alone. He threatened me, (mind you, I am VERY strong for my size. I can lift 100lbs easily but I am a pretty petite girl) When I went back to see if the kid was okay and was helping him pick up his cards, the bully got up and tried to punch me, so I threw him across a few seats and told him to sit his arse down and if he dares to move until it's his stop, he would be leaving with bruises. He shut up then.

I cannot stand bullies. I am very protective and I don't like seeing anyone getting picked on. Anytime I did, I'd step up to the plate. People would come to me and tell me about thier problems, and of course I'd always talk to the other party first, but if it was just needless bullying, I'd help protect them.

I can't believe NONE of the kids on this bus had the balls to gtf up and help that woman. I would have sat with her and talked to her.

And if I EVER found out my child acted like this-all hell would break loose. The belt would be used-or I'd have them pick out their own Switch, and they would NEVER do ANYTHING outside of what is absolutely necessary. And I would make them attend ROTC. Have them learn some respect.

Bagel Bat

They are old enough to KNOW what they did was wrong and hurtful and they still did it. Those little assholes are are only sorry because they got caught. If they hadn't got caught they'd still be bragging about it on YouTube. I heard they apologized now but it's bullshit.

"I wish I had never done those things" Yeah, he says it because he got busted. If he hadn't he'd still be posting " Look! i made her cry!! LOL!! :)" I normally don't advocate suing unless absolutely necessary, but if the school doesn't punish those kids to the very highest level they could to make their lives miserable I'd sue the school and then those kids and their families if I were her. I hope she takes that well deserved vacation, comes back and lays the hammer down on them.

The innocent dew-drop eyed angel image people of have children from birth to adulthood needs to die, and fast. I was a child once, and I was not perfect by any means. A few of my friends are teachers, and they say children can be extremely cruel, vindictive and manipulative. The parents say "But he/she isn't like that home!!" OF COURSE NOT! They act differently, they know how to manipulate and lie from an early age. I've seen it with my cousins children who are 4 and 2 respectively.

News reports have been coming out that the young men have been receiving death threats and some of them don't understand why. So they know how to say those horrible things but they don't understand the gravity of what they've done?!?!

I was bullied from kindergarten to the day I graduated and most of it today would classify as psychological, emotional and physical abuse. I had a psychiatrist tell me once she was surprised I didn't end up committing suicide or being a serial killer. At one point I met this drill-sergeant type woman who told me if I was ever gonna survive in life I needed to grow a spine and talk back. I've seen articles, one in particular on Yahoo where a woman is calling out Ms. Klein for being in the wrong because by not defending herself she's "asking for it". :( Those kids KNEW what they were doing was wrong, bullies know what they're doing and she wasn't doing anything to deserve the treatment she got.

pennyslut

This is by my hometown and its the only thing the news is talking about. Her vacation fund is already over 600,00. I hope she gets a nice little break from the brats :)

pennyslut

Also, I believe the kids in the video made reference to her children committing suicide. her son did in fact take his life 10 years ago. Extra sad for this poor woman :(

KattyBitch

If I found out my kid ever did something like this they'd never forget the wrath of hell their mother could turn into.
Watching this was one of the saddest things I've ever seen

WMDKitty

More proof that children are evil little shits.

Unfortunately, too many of them turn into evil BIG shits.

NC Tony

Never mind banning those little shits from the school bus. The lot of them should all be shipped off to military school! As for the "apology" it reminds me of the two assholes who beat up a transgendered girl in a McDonald's and also issued an "apology" because they got in trouble. I hope there's a circle in Hell reserved for all the bullies of the world where they will spend eternity being bullied by demons. Demons who look like their victims.

Queer Geek

Whatever happened to teaching kids to respect their elders? My parents threatened the shit out of me if I ever treated a person in charge like that. I think these bullies need to do some community service for a long period of time to give them a dose of reality.

CashierBtch

If I had done anything even remotely close to this, my ass would be gone and I'd never be able to sit on a bus again. This is why people need to discipline those little shits that they desperately wanted. If you are going to take care of another life, you have to take responsibility of ALL aspects of said life. these kids need severe punishment. if they are old enough to bully an adult, they can have an adult punishment. And it goes on a permanent record, saying how horrible they are so that it follows them the rest of their lives. A bully should never be able to escape from the things they have done

Dev

She's up to $500,000 by the way.

Boho

Here's the thing....you can't necessarily blame the children.

At this age, they're still developing. It's the PARENTS (or parent) that's to blame. I actually work at a school, and it seems like the children who are raised by a single parent are the most maladjusted. Sounds like stereotyping, but it's something that I have observed personally. Both a mother and father figure are extremely important. The issue with the high divorce rate in this country won't be fully realized until the next generation of children starting growing up. Both the mother AND father are needed in a child's life.

Another thing is that kids this age feed off of the reactions of the other people. If the woman didn't start crying or show reactions, they would have stopped. What you have to do with middle school students is show them who's boss and show no fear at all. They feed off of the fear and will keep pushing people to their absolute limits. Don't get me wrong, what these kids did was HORRIBLE. But, it probably didn't even need to escalate to this level if proper actions were taken early on.

Cmon, calling the kids "trash" is totally inappropriate. It's not their fault that they act the way they do. They're not inherently evil. I know it's hard to believe, but there are some serious psychological problems with these children that they probably can't even recognize.

Bullying is a learned behavior, be it from a father bullying a mother or a brother bullying the bully. Yes, these kids are monsters, but IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT.

Larry Berry

"If the woman didn't start crying or show reactions, they would have stopped"

You mean like how she didn't show reactions at first? Looking out the window and at the other kids up front? Yep surely if she would have done that (like she did) they would have stopped (like they got worse).

"IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT"
You're right, it's not the poor babies faults, (Make sure to reinforce that idea in their minds. That will help) It's hers for crying.

The Last Archimedean

If either of my sons EVER did this, I'd rive them to a deserted spot in the countryside, make them dig a hole about 10 feet deep, drop them in the hole and fill it back up with the dirt they dug out. Then I'd drive off.

Well... probably not, but I'd be tempted. For sure they'd lose all privileges from the time it happened until their 18th birthday. That's just horrible.

slappie jones

My heart goes out to your mom, Amanda. No one should have to endure such abuse. I have four kids and rest assured if any of them were ever so cruel to another human being, they wouldn't have to worry about taking the bus because they would be unable to sit down for the next year due to the ass whooping they'd receive!!!

Framer-Fatal

Boho, your response is sickening. For one, I am a child of a divorced home, as many of my friends are, and I take huge offense to your broken home BS. I would have NEVER done this, and it didn't take dad coming home every evening for me to come out as a decent human being. Stereotyping people like me is wrong, and I don't care for it.
Secondly, you then go on to victim blame the poor woman. How insanely infuriating and unsympathetic can you be? These "children" are hitting puberty. They have brains that can reason out critical thinking. Making excuses for them enables them. They are trash and they should be held accountable for their actions, not the old woman. Shame on you.
Whatever school you work at, I pity it.

Ima B

These kids need their butts busted. This kind of thing happens when parent do not punish thir kids. As my momma once said you are never too old or too big for a spanking. You know the whole spare the rod spoil the child thing. After that these kids should be sent off to boot camp. Karma has a way of sneaking up on you. Case in point, I have been the victim of bullying during many phases of my life. Most recently by a co-worker and my boss. Boss was posting her bully remarks online and was caught. She no longer has a job.

Queer Geek

How the tables have turned. Various sites have posted the bullies' names. Now they are receiving harrassing phone calls and death threats. Ain't karma a bitch?

Hiedi

The messed up part is these "hellspawn" need a good thump on the head. Had she reacted and given them the beating they deserve SHE would have been arrested for assault. I'm glad one of the fathers has publicly apologized for his demon child. He told good morning America on Friday he didn't raise his kids to be like this and he's more than grounded for a long, long time. He's glad his kid is getting publicly shamed and he's sending the son to therapy to figure out what the hell he was thinking and why he did it.

At least one parent is being response for the actions of their hellspawn.

trekkiebabe31

While I do agree with what she said about kids wanting to impress each other, that is NO excuse! I've been bullied, especially in elementary and middle school, and I still get bullies every so often even as an adult, what I want to know is, why the hell didn't the bus driver stop the bus and make them stop? If that had happened in my school, our bus driver would've made them stop and their butts would've been sore!

Terry Everton

Here's another side to this whole thing that I think makes a lot of sense...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-kelly/karen-klein-should-give-t_b_1618995.html

foxgirltori

@Boho: The kids were in middle school. That's old enough for someone to know when they're hurting someone. And it is their fault. A missing parent is a factor but you can't use that as a good excuse. My mom was abandoned by her mom and used that as an excuse to be a horrible parent to me. If I do the same to my child, can I be blamed if my kid is a bully because MY mom was mean to me because HER mom was never there? No. It's a vicious cycle doomed for repeating.

And even if you don't show any reaction, the bullying doesn't stop. They'll keep going until they get a rise out of you.


@Terry: That article kind of irritated me. I admit I haven't seen the bullying video because I'm sure I'd end up in tears if I could hear what those kids said to her. But I remember having bus monitors back in middle school and high school and the most they could do against verbal abuse (against them or a child) was to tell the bully to be quiet (NEVER worked) or give the kid a write up which hardly ever worked since the kids would just throw them away or whine about how it wasn't fair to their parents and then the parents would complain to the school.

Larry Berry

That money was donated. Okay I can see that YOU may THINK that she should give the money back. Thing is that you didn't give her the money. Personally I don't really see the point in donating that much money to her, but the people who did, do. It was their choice. They had just as much knowledge of what happened as you do, and they CHOSE to donate that money to her.

Now looking at the recent post about terry going to work on acid......
terry you gave your money back from that job right? Because that money wasn't donated, it was being paid to you to fulfill your duties in a certain manner, that you did not do.

Nick

That article was full of crap in my opinion.

If Karen did anything to try and defend herself she would have been fired. Just like this teacher who had to physically defend herself from a student who backed her into a corner.

http://www.parentdish.com/2011/06/06/teacher-doesnt-regret-punching-student/

And telling someone else what to do with their money seems real damn arrogant and entitled to me. Noone held a gun to my head to donate to Karen.

(It wasn't much but it still counts)

Nick

And cause I feel obligated to explain, my post was just a strong opinion in general. I don't have a right to judge anyone here or full on personal attack them through posts.

Terry Everton

Way to man up and own your comments, Nick. Seriously. I don't agree with you, but at least you have the balls to stand tall.

The article, however, is far from being full of crap. Chris Kelly is a writer for the Bill Maher program and his opinion carries some significant weight. The point is that this woman should never have have been placed in the position she was in due to the economics of our country. Her plight is unfortunately where many of us are headed should we not demand radical change from the assholes we elect. What the hell was she doing on that bus in the first place? That she was rendered ineffective by the system is the primary issue of the article, and something we should be willing to examine without accusing each other of treason.

Nick

Well most teachers, aids, and monitors are ineffective because the schools make them that way.

I can't tell you how many articles I've read about how a teacher was fired or "on a leave of absence" because they tried to defend themselves or properly discipline a student.

When School admins tie up the hands of a teacher and render them unable to properly do their job, because they are that scared of a parent suing them over something "their little angel would never do" Something really is wrong but I can't find fault with the teachers themselves.

The link I posted of the teacher who punched a student is an interesting read. A male student backed that teacher up against the wall, shouting profanities at her and calling her a cunt in the middle of class and she gets fired for punching him. I think their was a petition to reinstate her but I don't think that went anywhere.

I don't understand how Karen could have been "effective" and still kept her job. I am just not clear on that part. I guess I just see it as Teachers are not allowed to BE effective otherwise some insane parent will sue.

Terry Everton

I agree with everything you just said, Nick. The problem is with the system, not the people who are ensnared by it.

Nick

I think you worded it better than that writer however. No offense, his words might carry weight with certain people but he didn't impress me.

Thanks for the chat, we might not see eye to eye on some points but that is the way with people sometimes.

Hope it's not raining by you and you have lovely sunshine.

Jessayyy

I only watched part of the video simply because I couldn't stomach anymore than that. What they said to her is absolutely disgusting though. My best friend was the target of bullying like this all throughout middle and most of high school. I automatically was dragged into it because I was pretty much the only friend she had because I was not raised to be a mean and nasty little shit. And if I had EVER said anything like this I would have had my ass beaten. The fact that these kids think a "Oh, I'm so sorry" is going to get them off the hook is absolutely absurd. They should be punished as harshly as possible and undergo some therapy because there is NO.excuse to talk to another human being that way... Especially if that person is an elder. It's a damn shame that parents don't teach respect to their children nowadays. I can say though, you know damn well that I am teachig respect and (dare I say it?!) manners to my kids. My two year old knows she doesn't get anything without please, thank you or saying excuse me to get mine or my hubby's attention. As soon as ny son talks, he will be learning the same manners. I refuse to be the parent of an ill-mannered hellspawn of a child.

MahiMahi713

Honestly, schools are ridiculous. A kid acts like a little shit and the teacher tells them off and the kid gets off and the teacher needs to leave. It's total BS. I doubt those little shits meant their apology and they should be shipped off to military school. As for the who "coming from a broken home thing" I'm sorry, but that's bull. Kids act like little shits on their own. A person's brain doesn't stop developing till, what? 21? So if you're going to use that BS, I can do what those kids did and say it wasn't my fault. More over, these kids know right from wrong. They know what they did was fucked up. IT WAS their fault. They're little shits who will hopefully get what is coming to them.

I'll be honest, given the chance, If I found where that kid lived, I'd probably egg him when he came out of the house.
I hope the kids in the school are giving him hell. So much that he he needs to be home schooled.
Is this all very bitchy? Yes. Yes it is.
Do I give a fuck?
No.

Hellbound Alleee

If our kids hear us as adults mocking people for their weight, calling women bitches, and mocking gay people or men for being "too feminine," this will not stop. If our kids read on facebook that women should get in the kitchen and make sandwiches, this will not stop. If they hear people make "ironic" jokes about gingers having no souls, this will not stop. Offhanded comments about old and fat customers being stupid and ugly because they're old or fat will encourage kids to bully.

Kids wouldn't bully if bullying weren't encouraged and institutionalized in society.

B. Mitchell

Here's another point of view. What if she decided to sue the parents or the school for emotional distress? And what if she won? She would have been compensated for it.
Think of the donations as compensation in lue of a lawsuit.

Book Baby

If this poor woman has received $500,000 shouldn't she be able to retire? I hope so, so she can get away from these little hellspawns.

I am not a teacher for exactly this reason. I do NOT have any patience for this sort of shit. I expect kids to toe the line and demand that they act appropriately. If either of my kids had EVER acted like this, I would have made sure he couldn't sit for a week. He then would have had to go up in front of the entire school and apologized to the person he had bullied.

My kids are the sort who would stand up to the bullies that act like this. I did so when I was a kid and I still take NO crap from anyone. That is one thing my dad (a former Marine) taught me.

Book Baby

I also as one of the few parents who actually backed up the teachers at school. I told them at every teachers conference that I attended that I wasn't on of those who said, "My precious little angels wouldn't do that" because I knew darned good and well they might do something stupid. The teachers (ALL of them) looked shocked that I actually said this!

Kittoenix

@Terry and Nick: I have to comment and say you guys should win the internet with your exchange. Even though there was a disagreement, you were both respectful and acknowledged that you both have valid opinions on the issue.

I apologize for the off-topic comment, but I wish more people acted like this. Respect for the other, even in a difference of opinions.

Kudos, guys =^.^=

(And yea, if it were my kid, they would be in a heap of trouble. There's NO excuse for bullying!)

Nick

People learn by others example, As a parent I guess that bleeds into other conversations I have. People are easy to chat with as soon as I can explain my reasoning adequately. . . most of the time anyway.

That doesn't always work since sometimes I am brain dead after a long day and babble on like a dope.

Luckily, Terry understood my blathering on. Ha ha! Thank you for the kind words.

Queer Geek

@Book Baby

Thank you for standing up for teachers. Believe it or not, I got my degree in teaching and once believed in the profession. However after experiencing all the changes by the administrative government, budget cuts, lack of educational reform, teacher preparedness and training, and horrible esteem by parents it left me with a bad taste in my mouth so I ended up quitting.

Needless to say, I ended up in retail but I have no regrets for trying the career path. I still keep tabs on education in this country and still the battle for knowledge rages on. Maybe one day, the U.S. will finally get it right.

 TechTiger

Yeah, that 'broken home' bs doesn't fly. My parents were divorced too. The problem is twofold; People not disciplining their kids because they're 'special little flowers whose fragile personalities will be damaged by any restrictions' as the current fad is, and Allee's mention of institutionalized bullying.

People are pricks. They have to be taught to be human, and if they aren't, you get shit like this. When you wrap everything in bubblewrap 'for the CHILDREN!' they're taught that nothing has consequences so they can do whatever they want.

I'm sure this isn't the first time these little assholes did something like this, it's just the first time it was reported.

Terry, about why she was there; I think it's a leftover from the 50's, where the mere presence of an adult would prevent kids from doing shit like this because they'd get disciplined for it. Now, since all they can do is say 'Stop! Or I'll yell stop again!'... Definitely not the teacher's fault, because they're specifically prevented from doing anything.

Lizabeth

This is old, but whatever. Imma post anyway:P

I call shit on, "It was her fault, not the kids' faults!" Of COURSE it was the kids' faults! She should have just ignored it? Newsflash buddy, ignoring DOESN'T WORK. I know. I've tried.

I'm also thinking, from the way those kids were talking, that they aren't from "broken homes", and the town is in fact very wealthy. Apparently it is also in the top ten of safest cities in America - HA!

These kids strike me as those regular, average everyday sociopaths. Not all sociopaths kill, but they all certainly cause immense damage.

PoetryOtter

"Ignoring" works for two year olds. Not bullies. These kids have no excuse and I wish I could beat them up except that would make me as bad as them. It is always the bullies' fault, not the victim. I was a victim. Why the actual heck would I 'ask for it' as some suggest victims do? The brain stops developing at 25 by the way. Yet somehow I still know right from wrong. Yes, because you don't suddenly know how to act when you hit your twenties. These kids are just mean, end of story.

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