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Hellbound Alleee

Those of us who are hospitalized regularly with immune-suppressive diseases, and who are given immuno-suppressive drugs, are not crying over number eight. At. All.


I understand the flu shot thing might seem silly, but for if you work in a health care facility and you get the flu, you may very well be healthy enough to fight it off, but the people who are hospitalized and who you are constantly around, just might not have that kind of strength. And frankly, if you're an RN, and you don't understand the risk of infection in a hospital setting, and that people can die of the flu, you need to find another line of work.

The Last Archimedean

The one I have the biggest problem with is #3. How on earth do you fire a LIFEGUARD for SAVING A DROWNING MAN? Isn't that EXACTLY what his job description says he's SUPPOSED to do?! I hope whatever idiot made that decision got canned, publicly shamed and Mr. Lopez was promoted to take his place.

The Singing Library Clerk

I don't think 7 and 8 are stupid reasons to fire someone.

NC Tony

If I ever got fired through 1-6 I'd probably tell my boss "You have no idea how much self control it's taking me not to punch you in the face."


7 and 9 aren't that ridiculous to me. At your job you should be expected to act professionally, which generally means not giving people the finger or recreating a youtube trend.


IN regards to 1, large stores have insurance. They can cover losses from robberies. That's part of why you give a witness statement. Replacing you should you get hurt, or dealing with a lawsuit should you hurt the robber...that's more expensive for the store. That's why policy for large chains is always to cooperate and then to cooperate with police on catching the perpetrator. Sure, he stopped a robbery, but he also put the store and himself at risk doing so.

Some of these really are ridiculous, but some actually make sense.


1. Technically was fired for his gun more than stopping the robbery AZ has a no weapons policy.

3. Offered his job back once the news hit, but declined as he got another job offer.

7. Even though the bird pic was of a different plane than the one she was on, it was still a poor choice on her part.

8. Normally I agree on not being forced into flu shots, but these are nurses. They know exactly what sort of patients they are around and are potentially putting at risk.


1. 7. 8. 9.

All very good reasons to fire someone.

1. My views on guns aside - he had his own gun at work. If he'd been caught, he'd have been fired anyway - he walked into that one. The fact he stopped a robbery is not extenuating.

7. Totally inappropriate behaviour - not the fact that they took the photo, but that they posted it on social media.

8 and 9 - its totally unsafe to do what they chose to do.


TLA- he left his area, which his company had a city contract to monitor, to go assist the swimmer who was in an area that wasn't patrolled. (I think there were sights posted saying no lifeguard in that area, I'm not sure.) if I remember correctly, by the time he got there, approx. 200 yards (feet, again, not sure. It was a bit of distance away), outside his area,other swimmers had already pulled the guy out. The lifeguard started helping after telling someone to call 911, and there was also a nurse on site helping. Not sure if lifeguard or nurse got there first.


As for #8-if hospital personnel who work around people with fragile health don't want a flu shot, that's fine. Find another line of work. If you want to care for sick people, don't risk making them sicker.


#7 and #9 are pretty obviously their own faults. As for #8 they're called sick days for a reason folks. If your sick you take the day off and rest up so you can return when you aren't sick anymore. Flat out the concept of allowing any employer to dictate what types of medical procedures you get is fucking terrifying. If you all want to go to the slaughter house baa-ing like good little sheep go right the fuck ahead.

The Last Archimedean

#1 reminds me of a question I saw in court once...

Three dummies attempted a robbery and got shot at for their trouble by the owner. They didn't get any money, one was killed in the fracas and the other two wounded. They were arrested, tried and conviceted, and at the sentencing hearing, the judge is reviewing things. After issuing sentences to the two surviving robbers...

Judge: "Has the first robber been sentenced?"

Lawyer: "He was sentenced on the spot, Your Honor. He got the death penalty."

And people say court proceedings aren't interesting...



Dude, it's not about sick days. The flu shots are not for the nurses benefit, they are for the patients benefit. If you can't be damned to get a flu shot, you should not expect to continue being a nurse. Simple as that.

But hey, patients with weak immune systems will certainly feel good when die from simple communicable diseases, knowing that someone wasn't forced to take a flu shot.


For the most part I agree with Number 8; and I think most health car workers should have the flu shot in order to protect the sick they work with. But I have a question/situation regarding it. Now this is never realy apply to me since I doubt I would ever work in health care since I HATE the sight of blood--but I have an egg allergy and I have a pretty serve reaction to the Flu shot. And I'm pretty sure I am not the only one. A friend of mine's father is also has an egg allergy and he is a teacher--his school requires teachers to get the flu shot every year, and every year he has to have it done at the hospital so that once he gets the shot he has to have an epi pen and be monitored for about 6 hours afterwards to make sure nothing life-threatening occurs. Even then he is sick as a dog for about 2 days afterwards.

Now both him and myself developed the egg allergies as an adult. He was a teacher for 10 years before this started to happen. And every year he says it gets worse. He is his department's head and for him to quite to go to another school he would have to take a serious pay cut and then spend the next 7 or so years working back up to that. So he doesn't want to go to a school that does not require a flu shot.

So what about people like myself who work in health care and have serve reactions to the flu shot? I'm sure many of them started in health care before their allergies/reaction started. I use to get a flu shot every year until I was in my late 20's--which is when I develop the egg allergy. Which sucks, cause I use to LOVE eggs.


I'm sorry, 7 and 8 are people who got themselves fired.

Giving a plane full of people the finger, and you wonder why she got fired? What job WOULDN'T fire you?

And I can't think of a single hospital that doesn't have the flu shot as a mandatory requirement for employment. You're dealing with sick people, some with compromised immune systems. The last thing they need is a nurse making them even worse.


Perky - there are two options for people who have egg allergies. Option number one - the "live virus" vaccine. It's a nasal vaccine - you spray it up your nose - and it contains an altered, weakened virus that will stimulate antibodies. It's commonly given to children in lieu of the shot. Option two - there is a limited amount of vaccine produced every year that is egg albumen free. The reason most doctors' offices don't carry it is because it doesn't store well; once we get it, it only keeps for about a week before we have to throw it out. If you let your doctor know you need the egg-free vaccine, sometimes they can order you one and call you when it arrives.

For those who believe it's acceptable not to get the shot and then just take a sick day if you come down with the flu: once you're infected, you start shedding virons a full 24-48 hours before you experience any symptoms. During that time anyone who comes in contact with you risks getting the flu. Complications from influenza routinely kill people with bad immune systems, people with bad lungs, people with asthma. The swine flu strain is especially deadly to children and young adults. Before the vaccine, every ten to thirty years the flu would wipe out up to a quarter of the world's population. No one can force you to take the shot... but it's like this. If a fast-food worker absolutely refused to wash their hands and were caught touching people's food with hands covered in poop, they would be fired. It's the same with those nurses.

Cat Wrangler

I work at a university hospital and this year they said if you work with patients and don't want to get the flu shot then you are required to wear a mask at all times. They have sent us updates as to how many cases were diagnosed each week/month compared to last year. This year was a bad flu year. Note the masks are given by the hospital and their purpose is to prevent the spread of germs. I agree that one way or the other if you are working with people who are sick and immune compromised then you must abide by all safety regulations/rules.

Lord of the Potatoes

1) There was a no-weapons policy that the employee was clearly regularly breaching. I'm not going to open the can of worms that is gun ownership, but them's the rules.
7)Highly unprofessional, but perhaps not a firing offence. If you need to bitch about customers anonymity is your friend.
8)If you work in health care you have a duty to protect your patients. Could these nurses have lived with themselves if they passed the virus on to a patient, with tragic consequences?
9) Health and safety. In a mine. Breaching that endangers everyone.

2-6, however, are perfectly daft.

Jason Thorn

Gun ownership isn't the issue.

1. Is the cashier fully trained to HANDLE it in the event of a robbery? Cops are trained to handle stressful situations and to make split-second decisions. Are cashiers?

2. Suppose someone knows he has a gun and takes another customer hostage if he pulls it?

3. Suppose they know, and the first thing they do is shoot HIM to get him out of the equation?

I've worked retail hell. I've gotten beer runs (never robbed, thankfully) and I've already dreamed about hauling off and facing them down with a shotgun. I told a co-worker and he asked, "Do you dream about killing an innocent bystander by mistake?" I got the message.


I agree with reactions about no#8. I work in the R&D end of a specific branch of healthcare (mental health and psych)and we were all encouraged to get the shot because it's not just for us - it's for every nurse and doctor that comes into contact with us. The last thing I would want is to know that by some omission, I gave a transmissible disease to a health worker who then passed it on to their patients.We're all doing our best in the NHS to try and practice front-line good health (eg. the 'catch it, bin it, kill it' routine to get people to use tissues and hand sanitiser)but people who refuse flu shots on the basis of belief should not be working with patients. If God gave you a healthy body to fight things off, then why does He allow others to get sick?


The thing I can't fathom about #8 is that the nurse's quote makes it clear that she doesn't understand how flu shots *work*. She said she can probably fight it off with her immune system- implying pretty directly that the shot would interfere with that, when a flu shot specifically trains your immune system to do just that. Your immune system can fight it off better *with* the shot. How does a *nurse* not know that?

Sorry, no sympathy there. If she had a health reason not to take it, I'd expect her to have said as much.

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