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Nightwalker

It honestly just seems like the upcoming generation is incredibly lazy..

I apologize for the idiots my age, but I assure you, not all of us college age newbies are hopeless whiners.

CoG

Nope, not you. I used to work in the "teen girl" section of my store, and while I'm older than they are, it seemed like every new batch would complain more and do less There was terribly high turn-over because they keep hiring these girls to work this area, and they keep quitting or getting fired because, you know, they did no-call-no-show on some nice day when going to the beach with their boyfriends sounded better. I thought it was me, but girls that age who had some work ethic would complain about them, too.
If you're lucky enough to have a job, be grateful and quit bitching. Of course, it seems like so many are being supported by their parents in some way, that they don't seem phased when they DO get fired.

The Last Archimedean

It's not you, QG. The young 'uns everywhere are incredibly lazy and entitled.

RayvenMoon

Welcome to life with kids who's parents never made them work for anything. Even while I was somewhat spoiled the minute I was old enough to get a job I kissed my summers goodbye. Not only that, but since I was working for the water district my mother thought it would be cute for me to chip in on the water bill. Did I miss being able to do what I want for 3 of the hottest months in the year n vegas? Sure, but those paychecks made it all the better.

I learned some very practical skills, had a very nice start to my resume once I actually was in college and knew how to balance a checkbook. By the time I was on my own in college I was better off than most and also had a job to go to in the summer if I wanted it as I was one of the best summer interns they had.

the point is I would have never had that without two hard working parents to make sure I got off to the right start. My mother would have had my head if I slacked off and made me bust hump in other ways for the things she had no problem paying for.

Niroht

It certainly seems to be that way. At both jobs I'm working I frequently find that either I'm the only one working or they're trying their hardest to get the easiest jobs all the time. I'm thinking it's partly due to grade schools not requiring effort anymore on account of everyone being a special snowflake, and so these kids are taking a long time to learn how to make an effort. I recommend trying to gently, patiently teach them why it's important to work, maybe remind them gently that when hours get tight the best workers will get the work they'll desperately need. Sometimes the only thing that teaches you to stand for yourself is to fall on your face though.

Dhamp

Hi.

Young'un here.

Glad to know that the 5 hours of overtime I do a week (if my SD is open is there) is lazy.
Or that my brother who is working in Fire and Rescue support until he can afford the surgery that will allow him to apply as a full time firefighter (and a recruitment to happen) is lazy.
Or my 17 year old sister who works 30 hours a week, with 2 days a week of college, 40 miles apart is lazy.
Or my best friend working on her PhD in neurophysics.
Or my other friend pioneering new networking protocols.
Or the two who are hugely popular teachers with their classes.
Or the one who runs her own dance and fitness studio with her wife.
Or the one on the board of his own professional touring stage theatrical company, who works as a bartender to make ends meet to not give up his dream.
Or the 3 new guys in my office who, while wet around the ears, are doing incredibly well at picking up an immensely complex job.

All of us, under 25.

Young people aren't lazy.
Some of us are, sure, but do you really think the lazy of your generations were any better when they were my age?

The real problem with young people? The way we've been failed, by a society that lied to us (Up until a year before I graduated, we were sold that we would walk out of university into any job we wanted), and now, over a third of under 25s are unemployed, and we are the least likely to get jobs, because we have no experience, while the (higher than a few years ago) is unemployed of other age groups, who are less qualified but more experienced get first pick. Oh, and there are fewer jobs anyway because no one can afford to retire.

And when your generation is gone? We inherit the world your generations ruined, economically, politically and environmentally.

So yeah, some young people are just lazy, but the majority of us? Aren't.

The Worst

It's not so much laziness in a lot of cases as what Dhamp said. Basically, many young people have been told that if they get a college degree they can get whatever job they want right away, with no mention of work experience whatsoever. Wanna be a CEO of a major corporation? Just graduate college. Intern? Psh, you don't need to do that, you went to college! Most of us with our eyes and ears open wised up about this early on in college, but some young people are still shocked by the current state of affairs, and genuinely believe that they are over-qualified and shouldn't have to fold shirts and carry boxes.

Tl;dr: Most young people know how the world works, and it sucks that you got stuck with the slowpokes that haven't caught on yet.

Oh, and I'm a young'un too.

photoslave

Man, I feel incredibly lucky to have a job. Yes, the hours are kind of sucky right now. Yes, there are things about it that I don't like (like cleaning the nasty ass roller grill.) Yes, I complain a little about some of it to my coworkers. But they complain to me, too. So does our manager (who is only 22, which is weird.) We complain, but we laugh as we do it. We don't constantly bitch and whine like immature idiots. You'd think, in this economy, that even the younger generation would be grateful to have any work at all. I apologize for the younger part of my spoiled generation.

Dhamp

To add to The Worst's comments, retail, and the unskilled Service industry in general (due to experience not being such a deal breaker), is where those of our generation who don't wise up early enough wash up, so you will see a disproportionate number of young'uns who are lazy working there.

Karebear

It's not all college kids. My friend is in college and is working 2 part-time jobs. If parents spoil their kids, buy them everything they want, do everything for them, then once they get college, they are going to expect the same treatment they were receiving at home.

When I was in college, I was going to school full-time (though I stopped going after 1 year) and worked full-time. If extra shifts were available, I would hop all over them and work those (as long as I had no classes during that time period.) I worked with a fellow college mate, and he was the opposite, and would always complain about his lack of paycheck every other Monday (we got paid Mondays to avoid the no call, no show Friday-Sunday, pretty smart system.)

Some people are just lazy. Hopefully, you can find some good workers in the near future so you can avoid the headaches.

Dugong

Ummm, Dhamp: What? "The real problem with young people? The way we've been failed, by a society that lied to us" ...Never heard a bigger crock of an excuse than that! Oh boo hoo....you ate all the cake and left us crumbs! Waaaa Waaaa I'm gonna sit in the corner and not do *anything*! I'm just gonna piss and moan and complain and not pay my student loans! Cus I was GUARANTEED a position as CEO of Microsoft when I got my degree in liberal arts or physical education! Waaaa...lolz! What a bunch of crybabies....This world is no different then my fathers, at your age...opportunity abounds! You have to work hard, prove yourself, excel and innovate. Crybabies, frankly, should be shot.

Veteran Bartender

The majority of young people aren't lazy, but even as a young person managing/working with other young people, there are enough bad seeds out there to make me hate my generation.

When I was younger I was one of the ones "spoiled" by their parents - i.e. I had never done laundry, pumped my own gas, or even cooked something simple as spaghetti before getting to college (this all led to some hilarious trial and error moments during my freshman year of college, but not the time or place for that). Even so, that didn't turn me into one of the lazy young workers we sometimes see today.

Now, I'm at the tail end of the "young" generation, 25 & working 2 jobs & finishing up grad school. I have my lazy moments where I want to go enjoy my youth (in the past 4 years I've had a bartending job consistently on top of doing 6 internships) but for the most part am a hard worker. Just find the few good ones out there and make sure they realize they are valuable employees!

Copy Center Dude

A lot comes down to how someone was raised and their own attitude. There are lazy people and hardworking people in every generation. I do see a lot of your people who have the entitled attitudes about work and expect to be able to jump to the top. The harsh reality is that a college degree doesn't guarantee a job, plenty of other people have the same degree.

However the other side of this is that being a hard working individual, especially when you are young often makes you look very good. My father gave me a lot of attitudes about work, and one of them was that it doesn't matter what you do, you do it well. When I worked a summer in college as a janitor my fucking toilets were clean.

I was able to get better jobs by being recruited out of retail twice, too bad the layoffs came, but that's another story. At my present job I was hired to be a helpdesk tech on a three month contract. Six years later I am still here in a much more senior position. The reason, I worked my ass off every day so when promotions came up I could show what I had been doing instead of talking about what I would do for more money.

There are a lot of entitled customers out there, but there are also plenty of entitled workers. I'd rather do the work because then when I still get shit on by managers I can walk away knowing it wasn't because I was being a lazy fuck.

The Worst

@Dugong: "This world is no different then my fathers, at your age" - Afraid not. Fewer people were graduating from college, competition was not as fierce, and the economy was in better shape. Those are just the facts of life. I agree that whining about them doesn't do any good, but neither does completely ignoring the fact that circumstances have changed. In fact, that is exactly how to make sure that they DON'T improve.

kuroneko4276

The new generation, like every other before it, has lazy members and hardworking ones. There are senior citizens now who were lazy during the War and lazy all their lives and who are lazy now, my grandma says, just as there are also hardworking ones. You get a bell-curve in any population of humans, and that ranges on lazy-to-workaholic as well. You either have a bad batch there (maybe HR effed up?) or they're just so young that their distribution on the lazy-workaholic continuum still pings low.

To be fair, a lot of the youngest adults haven't learned not to be lazy yet, and you might get to watch them finding out the value of hard work as they go (always an interesting thing to see,) but for every batch of college kids bitching about retail, there's at least one who's paying her own way to school, getting good grades and sending money home to her family. What I would do is try my best to set a good example, and since the younger generation responds really well to praise, use positive reinforcement to encourage good results. If 'Katie' has just done a whole plan-o-gram without complaining, say "You're doing a great job, Katie! I know that's a hard and annoying task, but from your smile, these custies'll never know how hard you're working. Keep up the good fight!"

Don't be afraid to use acknowledgement of a task's difficulty or of the problems of the job as a way to bond with fellow employees. These kids have just come from high schools where complaining about Teacher Bob or Principal Jane was THE conversation-opener. It's how a lot of groups bond, and a little 'us vs.job' or 'us vs. them' can put a team together and keep them strong.

So don't make it about the job. Make the job OURS. Help them to OWN that job. Say things to the effect of "We don't have an easy job, but we make it look easy, am I right?" and "If the customers/Corporate/'they' only knew what it takes to keep this place nice, boy, would we be making the big bucks." Set an example where you OWN that job, keep your smile up, and sooner or later, being part of a strong team that covers each other's hours when one gets sick, has each other's back with a bitchy custy and praises one another for doing well will mean more than the fact that "oh, work is hard." They'll learn to take pride in the hard, as it's the hard that makes them mighty.

You might want to get a 'snap cup,' such as Elle Woods used in the second 'Legally Blonde' movie, where employees can anonymously write down positive things about each other and have them read at meetings; you wouldn't effing believe how well this works in management, and watch some 'Firefly' and the movie 'A League of Their Own' to see how Malcolm Reynolds and Jimmy Dugan manage teams. There isn't a hell of a lot in an advanced management degree that you can't get from well-written media.

Also, remember that while hard work comes fairly easily to 27-year-olds, to a 20-year-old, all of that is brand new. A retail job may literally be the hardest job a young enough person has ever had. Sure, it's easy for you NOW, but you worked your way up to that and got used to it. It's like how we can't believe eleven-year-olds have trouble with their math homework when we can do it in seconds...yeah, we worked up to that. Acknowledge that adjusting to a new job is difficult, but remind them gently that a positive attitude makes it easier: "I know exactly how you feel. When I started out, I couldn't wait for breaks and I felt really overwhelmed. It does get easier, I promise, and you'll be surprised how much easier it gets if you keep smiling and don't focus on the hard part."

You've got a wonderful opportunity to be something very special to these kids; the workplace mentor. I had a brilliant one without whose help I'd never have gotten as far as I have in life, and now that I'm the tough 27-year-old there to potty-train the newbies (albeit in a really strange field, where some of my newbies are thrice my age,) before I do or say anything to my team, I think, what would Jeanie do? How would she motivate these guys? What would she do with this discipline problem?

It's been eleven years and two degrees, but I'm still managing people according to the good example of a lady who was essentially the head of a department of janitors. She might not have been what the world would call special or high-status, but she trained more kids to take on the world and to stand hard knocks as a team than a lot of professors, and there are days when I'd give anything to be able to call her and say "I have SUCH newbies here, Jeanie, you would not believe," knowing that of course, she would, and she'd tell me exactly what to do, because she was that kind of lady. Worked into her eighties, she did, and would still be working, if a damn drunk driver hadn't hit her.

At Jeanie's funeral, this modest, 'Grammy worked in the factories and then as a janitor, and I'm her last living relative,' affair, over seventy people she'd worked with over the years showed up. Businessmen in suits that she'd whipped into shape when they were just boys working summers in the factory. Tough, confident small-business owners who openly wept and said she taught them everything. Even those of us in our early twenties whom she trained when we worked in department-store housekeeping because the wage was a buck better than retail, we showed up in our Sunday best to bury this sweet lady who'd added success to people like she added cleaner-concentrate to plain water.

And now you have the chance to be like her to young people.

...Not gonna lie, I'm kinda jealous.

Hellbound Alleee

I think the first recorded text of an older person saying the younger generation is "getting lazy" is in ancient cunieform or Sanskrit, and I'm not kidding.

No, these jobs are not worth "killing for." Let's get real. The wages are lousy. Yes, we need to teach young people how to be professional while on the job. No, we shouldn't lie to ourselves that these jobs are great.

Damn Yankee

I went to college for a couple of semesters. I worked my ass off, and I had a great GPA, but I realized people vastly senior to me, with the degree I wanted, were filling in as TAs and working in service jobs on campus. I bailed.

Now I'm with a good company, still service, but they treat their employees very well. I make better than just a living wage, allowing me several luxuries, and I'm happy. I'm in a senior position, and my job is being a leader, and training leaders.

I see my fair share of lazy people, and honestly, the worst are the 30+ people. They think the job is beneath them, that they can just show up and a paycheck will magically be handed to them. They resent that I am five to ten years younger than them, that they, with their college degree and vast work experience, should have to get down and scrub baseboards. I give them every chance in the world, and over seven weeks, I push, praise, batter, encourage, heckle, and reward them.

I've turned a few around, and I've sent a few to the curb. We are a team, all of us in the market, and I won't send someone who will do a halfassed job to another cafe to be that trainer's problem. One is a star, the rest that survived are solid, reliable workers that take pride in their duties. At the end of the day, if they're twenty or fifty, they're part of the crew that made us #2 in the country.

And that crew? 80% of them are under the age of thirty. Including myself, and my two superiors.

Nocturnesthesia

Hellbound - I was just going to mention how Aristotle was worried about his students making excuses not to do homework and constantly procrastinating.

frozenterror

Every generation is convinced that the generation of their parents is a bunch of unsophisticated rubes, and that the one of their children is a bunch of lazy slackers. It's been that way since the beginning of time.

Dhamp touched on another bigger issue, which is whether the under-30 age group in the United States right now has been sold a bill of goods based on the world that existed when the baby boomers were able to make their way. It's a discussion for another thread, but it's certainly one worth having. An ACTUAL discussion, not Dugong's rambling.

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